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RE:Did ANYONE see Madeleine during the holiday?
(Date Posted:26/09/2015 1:15 PM)



UPDATE Dec 21 2012 -
When Mark Harrison arranged the dog searches his report claimed the CRECHE was the last 
CONFIRMED place that Madeleine was seen by an independent person.

I interpret this as NO CONFIRMED sighting of Madeleine at High Tea


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Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

This is the location of the last confirmed sighting by a person independent of family members of Madeleine McCann . Although this location was within the original search area it may well benefit from a further search using enhanced detecting methods for human remains. This will depend on the size of any outside grounds and concealed areas inside the building.





One reason for Madeleine presumed to be alive Thursday at High Tea are the witness statements that say they saw her...

It is everyone's prerogative whether they chose to believe that there were witnesses that saw Madeleine and therefore she was alive, but to use those witness statements to form an opinion without recognising they do not stand up to scrutiny may be a mistake.
I have found that every one of the statements are questionable as to whether Madeleine was actually seen by them or whether they were mistaken and a good portion show to be probably mistaken.
One example is the cook who believed she was Madeleine every day at the creche next to the tapas.
We know that Madeleine did not attend that creche so the 'sighting' was of another child (possibly the Paynes oldest)
Miguel Matias of Paraiso was convinced (even after being told by the police later that Madeleine wasn't there) he saw Madeleine dancing with her daddy.
CCTV pics show she wasn't there so one of the other tapas children, apparently, looked very similar to Madeleine.
Other statements are similar or non specific.
After compiling a list of Madeleine's personality, it became apparent that OC workers seemed to be describing a different child to the Madeleine everyone else knew...
For further details on the comments see here..
http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Madeleine-s-Personality-1-781015.html

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We have a list of witnesses who saw Madeleine during week.

Some can be eliminated as, IMO, they seem to have been mistaken (red)

Many of the others (in my opinion,) are questionable and may have been mistaken or were not specific about seeing Madeleine.

Which of the witnesses can be considered as a confirmed 'sighting' of Madeleine during the holiday and were not confused?

Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada is, in my opinion, a credible witness that saw Madeleine on Sunday

The picture distributed was of a younger Madeleine and may have confused some of the witnesses into thinking it was a younger child or another tapas child as can be compared in pictures on this page...

http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Who-Saw-Madeleine-Credibility-Statement-Highlights-1-780252.html

and here...

http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/The-Holiday/THE-HOLIDAY-SCHEDULE-with-Creche-Mobile-Times-1-775595.html

[size=130]1) - Catriona Baker
2) - Cecilia Dias Firmino - 
3) - Charlotte Pennington 
4) - Elisa Dias Romao - 
5) - Emma Wilding - 
6) - Georgina Jackson - 
7) - Jeronimo Salcedes - Tapas Barman 
8) - Maria M A Jose - Tapas Cook 
9) - Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira - 
10) -Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada(5A Cleaner's daughter) - 
11) - Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho ( Receptionist)
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Non Specific comments:-
[size=130]Bridget O'Donnell 
Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins
Stephen Carpenter
Daniel Stuk[/size]

Not in Files
[size=130]Miguel Matias[/size], manager of the beach-side Paraíso restaurant - Was mistaken and saw one of the other tapas children damcing with her dady pven by th the CCTV footage.
[size=130]Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth[/size] - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no statements from them
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http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Who-Saw-Madeleine-Credibility-Statement-Highlights-1-780252.html

1) - [size=130]Catriona Baker[/size]
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1452.html#p1452
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1453.html#p1453

- last saw MBM before 6 pm on 3rd May, when collected by Kate - Credibility of witness not confirmed (questionable creche records and invitation and trip to Rothley in November after which her Rogatory statement has many 'issues' imo
- may have changed her original statement 3 times during Rog interview)

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2) - [size=130]Cecilia Dias Firmino[/size] -http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post137.html#p137

She says that her job is to receive guests at the entrance to the Millenium restaurant and check whether they have to pay for breakfast or whether this is included in their package. She works from 07.00 to 12.00 from Tuesdays to Saturdays. She says that she only attends to guests at breakfast time except on Wednesdays when there is Barbecue Night at the restaurant and when she welcomes guests for dinner, working from 18.00 to 22.00.

When asked, she says that due to her work she knows most of the guests given that most of them visit the Millenium as it is the only restaurant that serves breakfast.

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

She says that the McCanns appeared to be a normal family and that the relation between the members of the family was very good. Madeleine appeared to be very attached to her father and was always clinging on to him. Given her public relations function she was always very nice to the guests and would get involved with the children, saying that Madeleine was very shy and did not respond to her. She says that the only contact she had with guests was at the entrance to the Millenium restaurant, she did not have a view of the tables or the Buffet area


- saw MBM at breakfast when she worked on Tue, Wed & thurs, but does not specify exactly when seen (Note: conflicting evidence on where breakfast was taken by the family, and when) - Possibly mistaken identity as McCanns did not go to breakfast during the week when she was working

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3) - [size=130]Charlotte Pennington[/size]http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1455.html#p1455

• Has been in Portugal since April 28th, the day upon which she began working for the Ocean Club tourist Complex in Luz, Lagos, and where she is employed as a child educator. Her work contract was completed in the U.K. with MarkWarner;
• The witness clarifies that between the 19th of April and the 04th of May 2007 she worked with a group of children staying in the aforementioned complex between the ages of 4 months and one year of age (the Baby Club);
• The witness further clarifies that the BabyClub group was divided in three sub-groups, with each group composed of two babies, so that each group had a different infant educator allocated to it;
• With relation to the facts of the investigation, the witness states that in the course of her work, she came across Madeleine McCann many times, explaining that, even though she [Madeleine] did not belong to her [Pennington’s] group, this was normal, as the physical space where the children groups are located is contiguous; 
• The witness clarifies that Madeleine was registered with the ‘MiniClub’, a group with children between 3 and 4 years of age. The principal space where the children from MiniClub and BabyClub are situated is in the same building as the Ocean Club complex reception and this is why the witness had personal contact with the identified child. However, she clarifies that it was normal during “siesta”-- understood to be between the hours of 09H00 and 10H30 and 14H30 and 15H00, at the exact time that children are brought into the crèche by their parents—when the children under her guard are asleep, that she would participate with the children and the activities in the MiniClub;
• Witness states that on two different days, Sunday, 29th of April 2007, and on Thursday, 03rd of May 2007, she had direct contact with Madeleine McCann, telling her stories and speaking with her
• Witness states that as she was an intelligent child, timid at first contact, and who later felt more comfortable, was a child who conversed normally for her age, and was of a calm demeanour. She adds that it was usual for Madeleine to be called “Maddy”, as this is how she [Madeleine] presented herself to the witness;




- told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May - Credibility of witness not confirmed (Claims to have seen the twins in their cot and yet early statement says she did not enter apartment.)

She arrived April 28th (but claims to have worked from April 19th?) and on the first day of working with the babies, she leaves them asleep and reads to Maddie?

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4) - [size=130]Elisa Dias Romao[/size] -http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post11634.html#p11634

The witness works at the Luz Ocean Club, on contract. Her functions include attending to the reception area of the Garden Club (where the Millenium restaurant is found). 

This is the second period in which she has worked for the LOC, always in the same role.

Her days off are Sundays and Mondays.

Regarding the investigation, the witness states that she became aware of the same, on Friday. That morning, when she showed up for work, she heard talk that a British child had disappeared the night prior and that since then no one knows of her whereabouts.

With relation to the other elements gathered afterwards, the witness confirms that she became aware of them via the media and other talk between the guests and colleagues. 

She firmly believes that no one knows precisely how everything happened. 

Regarding the group linked to the couple and the missing child and her two siblings, she only became aware afterwards that Madeleine’s siblings were twins. The witness remembers seeing them in the Garden Club, near the pool and the Tapas restaurant. 
They appeared a normal family, as did the entire group. She did not notice any strange or suspicious details. 

When questioned, the witness clarifies that she worked at the Garden Club reception (NOTE: Millenium?) on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, at a time covering the lunch hour. She remembers seeing the couple with their children as they had to pass the reception to leave the area. She next saw them head in the direction of the apartment where the witness believes they had lunch

She believes that they left always between 12H30 and 13H00.

Around 14H00 the couple would return around 14H00, in fact, most of the couples would return their children to the crèche around this time. She does not know if the three McCann children were together given their different ages.

When questioned, the witness states that the parents would spend the majority of the time inside the Garden Club, in activities such as playing tennis, as they were a group of four couples (the reservation was always made for 9 adults). They would only all meet together for dinner. 

The couple would only leave the Garden Club after the children’s tea, which was served by the nannies in that area around 17H00/18H00. 

It was only after this period that they would leave with the children in the direction of their respective apartments. 


Questioned, states that she was left with the notion that the four couples always took their children when they went out or that they (the children) never left the area without their parents.

Her normal working day was from 09.00 – 17.00 and therefore she was never present when the group was dining.

Her working day was normal that day and she did not see anything of interest to the investigation.

On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS.




- saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs - Confusing statement but claims this -On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS.

Did she work at Millenium or Tapas?

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5) - [size=130]Emma Wilding[/size] - http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1458.html#p1458 

When questioned she states that she knows Madelede’s (sic) parents because although Madeleine is not in her group, she frequently speaks to her parents, and finds their concerns and interests normal and typical of parents.

When questioned she states that there are parents that leave their respective children during the whole day and every day at the clubs, and that this is normal within British culture. With respect to Madeleine, she states that she spent most of her time at the Mini Club. The children began arriving at 0900 until 1230 when their respective parents collected them for lunch, and returned at 1430 until 1645 when the Infants’ teachers took the children to eat something appropriate for their age at the Tapas restaurant. Most of the parents met their respective children here, and the children then remained in their parents’ care.

When questioned she states that on May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much.

She only noticed Madeleine and not her father,(?) and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual.

She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine’s group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool;( MINI SAIL?) she does remember that around 1230 Madelew’s (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch.

When questioned, she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not, and does not remember having seen anybody specifically taking direct and close-up photographs of the children.

She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.

She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.

During this period of time she did not notice anybody or anything out of the ordinary, as her attention was wholly focused on the children.

That night, at around 2200 she learned that Madeleine had disappeared, and together with her colleagues she helped look for her.

As regards Madeleine, she did not spent much time with her because she was not in her group; she did not know her well, but Madeleine appeared to be somewhat shy, this was noticeable the first days. Since she met her, she noticed nothing abnormal in any aspect that would point to Madeleine being a child that was out of the ordinary.



She only noticed Madeleine and not her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual. ?

she does remember that around 1230 Madelew’s (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch. (Kate went with Fiona to pick her up)

When questioned, she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not, (Olympics Grass time coloured beige on Activity sheet but no 'beach trip shown) 

Was Emma mistaken about the trip to the beach on Wednesday Who accompanied Catriona on the mini sail?

Did they go on Thursday as the creche activity sheet suggested because of rain on Wednesday?

Why did she not remember seeing Madeleine?

Too many children or was Madeleine missing from the group?

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http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1779.html#p1779
6)GEORGINA LOUISE JACKSON
Questioned, she relates that she knew the McCann family as part of her work, since she gave them tennis lessons, as a couple, parents of the missing Madeleine, as well as the other couples who accompanied them.
She reports that the group iniciated contact with the tennis instructors on the 29 April, the day immediately after their arrival at the Ocean Club.
The deponent has the calendar of classes given by her and by her colleague DAN to the McCann couple.
She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent.
As for the parents, she relates that a first lesson of instruction was done in the morning of 29 April, it being that, on that day, they had no more lessons. 
On the following days the parents of Madeleine, whom the deponent identified as Gerry and Kate McCann, scheduled 16 tennis classes, together and/or separately, at different times of the morning or afternoon, classes that were conducted by either her or by DAN depending on their booking calendar. 
Questioned about the class times of G&K McCann on last Thursday, 3 May, she related that the mother of MBM had a group class at 09-10h00 conducted by herself; the father had a group class at 10-11h00 conducted by DAN.
Later, at 15-15h45, the couple had a private class, together, conducted by DAN - and finally, GM participated in the men's social tennis event at 18-19h00.
Questioned about whether she had also conducted tennis lessons for an individual called Jeremy Wilkins, who was commonly known as Jez, the deponent relates that that individual booked, and attended, some tennis lessons, but that all of those had been given by DAN.
She relates that, as they had group lessons together GM and Jez had had some conversations, but she thinks that it is only because they shared some classes and that those [conversations] will not have given rise to a firm friendship, but rather to a simple acquaintanceship as they both happened to be British on holiday in the same place, both had small children and they shared some tennis lessons.
Questioned about the couple and their behaviour, both between the family and with the other group members, the deponent relates that she never noted any issue between them, and that the behaviour of everyone was like any other group of tourists that take their holidays in the resort every day. 
There never appeared any problem between them and other people. 
It being asked of her, the deponent relates that the McCann couple and the remaining group members had often been together, not always all of them, but the majority of the people were sociable with each other. 
She relates that they spent most of the day within the OC resort, in the pool, also they went to the beach but they did not use any of the OC activities there, and they centered their attention on the developed activities of the resort, it being that the couple preferred, unquestionably, tennis.
All four couples had children who were, for part of the day, under the care of the child care workers of the Ocean Club.
Questioned, she relates that she does not know where they usually ate lunch and that, at dinner time, the deponent was not at the Ocean Club, although she had heard that they dined, every night except the day they arrived, in the Tapas restaurant next to the swimming pool.
Also, she had been told that, at dinner, the group only comprised adults, since the children were in the apartments, but the deponent never witnessed it.


Did Georgina make this statement because she remembered Madeleine specifically from all the other children (some pretty in pink) or was it a generalised answer after having checked the registrations and seen that madeleine's group played tuesday morning.
it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent

Does that statement CONFIRM that Madeleine was there or is it only that she presumes she was there because of the records?
I would say although she believes Madeleine played on Tuesday morning it does not confirm Madeleine was there (and alive.)

- gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am. - After being shown the younger picture, can it be taken for granted that she would remember Madeleine actually being in the group or did she 'presume' or did she respond 'among a group of children' because the records showed this was Madeleine's group?
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7) - [size=130]Jeronimo Salcedes[/size] - Tapas Barman 
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post979.html#p979 
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post26971.html#p26971
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post176.html#p176

He saw the missing Madelaine, for the last time, yesterday at 16.45h next to the restaurant; ?

In spite of having already observed many photos of Madeleine he claims that he could not state with any certainty that he had seen her at any moment, the same goes for whom he now knows to be her twin siblings. The specifics of his work do not leave him with much time to focus his attention on the children that were around, although as he has stated previously he worked with children of Madeleine’s approximate age for almost four years.

Since Madeleine’s disappearance, I have seen her picture many times in the media, but I cannot honestly affirm that I remember seeing her in person before the disappearance from the Ocean Club. There were many children and I never paid much attention to any of them.


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8) - [size=130]Maria M A Jose[/size] - Tapas Cookhttp://themaddiecasefiles.com/post194.html#p194

after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crèche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week


Another example of mistakenly thinking that one of the other tapas children was Madeleine?

She claims the child went to the creche next to the tapas, Madeleine's creche was near Millenium

- saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. - Was probably mistaken and may have seen Lilly at the creche next to the Tapas Madeleine went to the creche by reception 10 minutes away.
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9) - [size=130]Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira[/size] (Cleaning Staff- Millenium)
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post230.html#p230

The witness states that she has worked at the OC resort for about a month from this date, exercising her functions in cleaning around the pool and in the reception of this hotel establishment.
Her normal working hours are from 09H00 and 19H00, with about 30 minutes for lunch, between 13H30 and 14H00.
She adds that her days off are Fridays and Saturdays.
That, as she mainly cleans in the above mentioned areas, her contact with the guests is limited to perhaps observing them in the reception or when using the pools. She adds that she does not understand the English language well. 
Further adds that she is the only employee who cleans the reception and that there are two other people who help clean the other areas. 
When questioned she states that she has no direct knowledge of the facts of the current investigation.
In fact, she adds that she only became aware of the situation on 04.05.07, Friday, at around 11H00 as she was told by the club receptionist whom she knows only as Monica.
This happened because on Thursday the 3rd of May she finished work at her normal time.
This being the case, she left the OC on Thursday the 3rd of May around 19H00 and went towards her residence indicated above. The next day she was off duty. 
She further informs that on this same day, Thursday, she had no information from the news.
When asked, she adds that she knows nothing of the details of the disappearance of the child or any other details of the situation other than those gathered from her colleagues and from the news on Friday. 
With respect to the child in question, Madeleine, and her family, the witness adds when she did hear about what happened, she was not able to associate the name with the person in question.
When she saw her photograph, and saw the images of the parents, she did remember having seen them, about two times—the child in question and her family when they were leaving the Millenium Club breakfast (around 9h30/10H00) and only because this was her time to the clean the reception of the establishment.
From these fortuitous encounters, the witness adds that they appeared a perfectly normal family. 
She reaffirms that she never had any other contact with the family of the missing child or with the child in question.

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10) -[size=130]Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada[/size] (Cleaner) -http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post184.html#p184

She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (13.30) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 13.15 she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing the girl accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5 A) and walk to the stairs leading to the floor above. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same king of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands, their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs. When asked, she does not remember whether the father pulled the door closed or locked it with a key.

After she chatted to her mother about there being many children in the apartments, she had the idea that the family in 5H were friends of Madeleine’s family who were staying in 5 A.

She never cleaned any of these apartments referred to as they were allocated to her mother. Her mother never mentioned anything strange to her, either before or after the girl’s disappearance that could be related to the disappearance. The only comment she remembered concerned the clutter in the apartments, mainly clothing which was left all around the place. She thinks that her mother cleaned the apartments in that block on Monday and Wednesday (02-05).


In my opinion this is a really credible sighting of Madeleine. On Sunday afternoon as they were leaving the apartment to join the Paynes for lunch with bread in her hands and shoes that lit up

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11) - [size=130]Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho[/size] ( Receptionist)http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post186.html#p186

She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.

When questioned, she confirms that the man was not the father of the girl but one of the members of the group whom was often seen in his company.

The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.

The deponent made some comments about the request, saying that the Tapas received many requests and that MW only had a quota of 20 per day, but upon the insistence of the guest she managed to make the bookings requested.

She confirms that it was possible to see the apartment from the restaurant, including the window of the sitting room.


ROB made arrangements on Sunday. Could this have been his daughter Ella, who is similar in appearance to Madeleine and was not (apparently) at the creche on Sunday morning when the booking should have been made.?

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Other Witnesses - they gave no specifics

[size=130]Bridget O'Donnell[/size] - alluded to Madeleine being in the tennis 'all pink and pretty' but was no Madeleine's mini tennis group
[size=130]Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins[/size]
[size=130]Stephen Carpenter[/size]
[size=130]Daniel Stuk[/size]

Not in Files
[size=130]Miguel Matias,[/size] manager of the beach-side Paraíso restaurant - Was mistaken and saw one of the other tapas children damcing with her dady pven by th the CCTV footage.
[size=130]Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth[/size] - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no statements from them
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http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1779.html#p1779

NOTE: Most of the rest of this posting re Georgina Louise Jackson also appears at No. 6 above, but I've left it in as HiDiHo's conclusions at the end are more detailed - T.B.

9)GEORGINA LOUISE JACKSON
Questioned, she relates that she knew the McCann family as part of her work, since she gave them tennis lessons, as a couple, parents of the missing Madeleine, as well as the other couples who accompanied them.
She reports that the group iniciated contact with the tennis instructors on the 29 April, the day immediately after their arrival at the Ocean Club.
The deponent has the calendar of classes given by her and by her colleague DAN to the McCann couple.
She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent.
As for the parents, she relates that a first lesson of instruction was done in the morning of 29 April, it being that, on that day, they had no more lessons. 
On the following days the parents of Madeleine, whom the deponent identified as Gerry and Kate McCann, scheduled 16 tennis classes, together and/or separately, at different times of the morning or afternoon, classes that were conducted by either her or by DAN depending on their booking calendar. 
Questioned about the class times of G&K McCann on last Thursday, 3 May, she related that the mother of MBM had a group class at 09-10h00 conducted by herself; the father had a group class at 10-11h00 conducted by DAN.
Later, at 15-15h45, the couple had a private class, together, conducted by DAN - and finally, GM participated in the men's social tennis event at 18-19h00.
Questioned about whether she had also conducted tennis lessons for an individual called Jeremy Wilkins, who was commonly known as Jez, the deponent relates that that individual booked, and attended, some tennis lessons, but that all of those had been given by DAN.
She relates that, as they had group lessons together GM and Jez had had some conversations, but she thinks that it is only because they shared some classes and that those [conversations] will not have given rise to a firm friendship, but rather to a simple acquaintanceship as they both happened to be British on holiday in the same place, both had small children and they shared some tennis lessons.
Questioned about the couple and their behaviour, both between the family and with the other group members, the deponent relates that she never noted any issue between them, and that the behaviour of everyone was like any other group of tourists that take their holidays in the resort every day. 
There never appeared any problem between them and other people. 
It being asked of her, the deponent relates that the McCann couple and the remaining group members had often been together, not always all of them, but the majority of the people were sociable with each other. 
She relates that they spent most of the day within the OC resort, in the pool, also they went to the beach but they did not use any of the OC activities there, and they centered their attention on the developed activities of the resort, it being that the couple preferred, unquestionably, tennis.
All four couples had children who were, for part of the day, under the care of the child care workers of the Ocean Club.
Questioned, she relates that she does not know where they usually ate lunch and that, at dinner time, the deponent was not at the Ocean Club, although she had heard that they dined, every night except the day they arrived, in the Tapas restaurant next to the swimming pool.
Also, she had been told that, at dinner, the group only comprised adults, since the children were in the apartments, but the deponent never witnessed it.


Did Georgina make this statement because she remembered Madeleine specifically from all the other children (some pretty in pink) or was it a generalised answer after having checked the registrations and seen that madeleine's group played tuesday morning.
it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent


NOTE: The witness statements do not prove she WASN'T there but they do not prove she WAS! 
Does that statement CONFIRM that Madeleine was there or is it only that she presumes she was there because of the records?
I would say although she believes Madeleine played on Tuesday morning it does not confirm Madeleine was there (and alive.)
eg. If she had made any type of comment like...
I remember Madeleine playing on Tuesday with her group wearing her little shoes that lit up would have been enough for me to confirm her being there.
or
Something like: I remember Madeleine playing on Tuesday. Many of her group and her mum was there watching her. They took pictures 
Her hat kept falling off - I remember her telling me to call her Maddieetc etc
Anything except 'she was among a group of children'.
Doesn't prove she was there (or alive) imo.
Another one off the list of confirmed sighting of Madeleine.
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NOTE: The witness statements do not prove she WASN'T there, but they do not prove she WAS!
Big difference!
IMO
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RE:Did ANYONE see Madeleine during the holiday?
(Date Posted:26/09/2015 1:17 PM)


Nannies:


Lindsay Johnson -
 she works as supervisor of the infant educators 
she had several contacts with the girl called Madeleine McCann, although she says these were formal and short, Non Specific



Amy Tierney (3) - Amy, who is a coordinator of a nanny group including Cat and Emma. head of the Baby Club and Mini Club - “dinner time period” together with colleagues Charlotte and Jacqueline,
she also knows Madeleine’s parents as they would go to fetch her from the club, but she adds that it was normally Madeleine’s father who did this.

(NOTE: Gerry McCann only picked up Madeleine on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday morning, the rest of the week it was Kate)



Emma Louise Wilding
 -
working at the Mini Club for children between 3-5 years
May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much.

She only noticed Madeleine and not her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual.


on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not,

 May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.

She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.



BABY CLUB

Charlotte Elizabeth Anne Pennington - she worked with the baby group.-“dinner time period” together with colleagues Jacqueline and Amy,
 two different days, Sunday, 29th of April 2007, and on Thursday, 03rd of May 2007,  (she worked the dinner shift which started at 5.15 on Thursday) she had direct contact with Madeleine McCann, telling her stories and speaking with her.
 
• Witness states that as she was an intelligent child, timid at first contact, and who later felt more comfortable,




Lynne Rhiannon Fretter - she worked with the baby group.
 she only had one brief contact, a few seconds with Madeleine – whom they called Madie (sic), when she passed by her, having eaten at the table



Stacey Portz - She works as supervisor only in the "Toddler" and "Junior/Kids" services at the "Tapas" and "Millenium" locations.
she would frequently come talk to her brother and sister when picked up by her parents;
NOTE: If this is in reference to lunchtime pickup (as opposed to high tea) then it could have only been Monday and Thursday that Madeleine was signed out before the twins. (not frequently) Shinead, who looked after the twins only saw Madeleine once!




TODDLERS 2

Shinead Maria Vine -working only with the Toddler group;
Amelie & Sean
she saw Madeleine McCann once when she arrived during the week 


TODDLERS 1

Jacqueline Mary Williams -
 “Toddlers 1”. - “dinner time period” together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy,
she had various contacts with the girl Madeleine McCann, but says these were formal contacts and very brief


says that in brief moments and in a formal manner (just saying “hello” and “goodbye”) she had contact with Madeleine, explaining that she did not belong to her group, these contacts took place when the children were eating

When the parents picked up the twins at lunch time, all the children were together in the same place so they picked up Madeleine as well.
  (Mistaken as Madeleine was in another location?)




JUNIOR

Kirsty Louise Maryan
children between the ages of 6 and 10, known as the 'Junior' group,
she only, on one occasion, had contact with Madeleine McCann, for about 30 minutes 'who was treated as Maddie' in that she had to substitute for her colleague, who, at that time, was responsible for the group whose name is Emma, (? not Madeleine's group?) as she had to go to the Tapas to take care of the refreshments of Madeleine's group. For this, the deponent had the charge of accompanying that group towards the beach until the MiniClub where they stayed for a few minutes, and from where they left for the restaurant, mentioned above, in order to have dinner. She clarifies that when Madeleine ate her food, her parents were close and accompanied her; 

from what she saw, was a child who did stick out, precisely as she was calmer and shier that the others;
 *

she did not have direct contact with the minor at issue, Madeleine McCann, and is not aware of her habits or that of her parents, 


*

Jane Tanner describes her daughter as being very shy
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RE:Did ANYONE see Madeleine during the holiday?
(Date Posted:26/09/2015 1:24 PM)


Nannies that saw Madeleine...



Donna  Louise Rafferty Hill  - manager of the creche staff


Lindsay Johnson -
 she works as supervisor of the infant educators 
she had several contacts with the girl called Madeleine McCann, although she says these were formal and short,


Amy Tierney (3) - 
Amy, who is a coordinator of a nanny group including Cat and Emma. head of the Baby Club and Mini Club - “dinner time period” together with colleagues Charlotte and Jacqueline,
she also knows Madeleine’s parents as they would go to fetch her from the club, but she adds that it was normally Madeleine’s father who did this.

(NOTE: Gerry McCann only picked up Madeleine on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday morning, the rest of the week it was Kate)
 

MINI CLUB


Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker
 (3)- working at the Mini Club for children between 3-5 years
EARL STATEMENT -since that date and until Thursday, the 03rd of May, 2007, she was with Madeleine every day, but is unable to specify if she was present on the Sunday morning.
 
ROGATORY - I first met Gerry and Kate McCann on the Sunday morning, 29.04.2007, at the Minis Club. They brought the children and as it was their first day of holidays the normal procedure was that they were allocated a childcare worker. I had previously written the children’s bracelets which included their name, any allergies and relevant information. I stayed with Madeleine, 3 years old, in my group (Minis Club that week) together with E***, daughter of Jane Tanner. Either Kate or Gerry would accompany Madeleine every day in the morning and would return at lunch and tea time to take her back. I met Gerry more often as he would come to fetch Madeleine more often than Kate. I also remember that Kate was present for High Tea accompanied by the twins, between 5 and 5.30 in the afternoon.

On Thursday the 3rd of May 2007, I remember Gerry having accompanied Madeleine to the club between 9h15 and 9h20 in the morning. I do not remember who came to pick her up for lunch that day, but she returned in the afternoon for a dive/swim
We perform activities with other children. On that day we did sailing and I remember meeting friends of Madeleine’s relatives on the beach, David and Jane. Around 14h45 Madeleine returned to the Minis Club above the reception but I do not remember who accompanied her. That afternoon we went swimming. Kate picked Madeleine up at the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she had been practising athletics. It was around 15h35/18h00. I think that Gerry was playing tennis. 

I did not see Kate or Gerry that night. 
The next time I saw them was on Saturday at lunch time, as on Friday (SUNDAYTime/Date: 18H36 2007/05/06) I spent part of the morning at the Portuguese police answering questions. On Saturday I was next to the tapas Bar area when Gerry and Kate appeared. They were still agitated and anxious for news, expecting for anyone to be able to help them. 

 Most of the time in which I saw the family together, the children would be having dinner. The twins sometimes looked tired at tea time, after a long day and also perhaps due to the heat, but I never saw any reason for concern over the McCann children or over their behaviour.


 


Emma Louise Wilding -
working at the Mini Club for children between 3-5 years
May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much.

She only noticed Madeleine and not her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual.


on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not,

 May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.

She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.
 



BABY CLUB

Charlotte Elizabeth Anne Pennington - 
she worked with the baby group.-“dinner time period” together with colleagues Jacqueline and Amy,
 two different days, Sunday, 29th of April 2007, and on Thursday, 03rd of May 2007,  (she worked the dinner shift which started at 5.15 on Thursday) she had direct contact with Madeleine McCann, telling her stories and speaking with her.
 
• Witness states that as she was an intelligent child, timid at first contact, and who later felt more comfortable,


Lynne Rhiannon Fretter
 - 
she worked with the baby group.
 she only had one brief contact, a few seconds with Madeleine – whom they called Madie (sic), when she passed by her, having eaten at the table 


Pauline Frances McCann - 
works in the Baby Club 
does not know Madeleine's parents,


Stacey Portz - She works as supervisor only in the "Toddler" and "Junior/Kids" services at the "Tapas" and "Millenium" locations.
she would frequently come talk to her brother and sister when picked up by her parents;
NOTE: If this is in reference to lunchtime pickup (as opposed to high tea) then it could have only been Monday and Thursday that Madeleine was signed out before the twins. (not frequently) Shinead, who looked after the twins only saw Madeleine once!



TODDLERS 2

Shinead Maria Vine -working only with the Toddler group;Amelie & Sean
she saw Madeleine McCann once when she arrived during the week 

Susan Bernadette Owen -
 Toddlers2 (3 groups) but another group to the twins
 the deponent states that she did not have direct contact with the minor at issue, Madeleine McCann, and did not know her habits, and that of her parents,

Sarah Elizabeth Williamson - Toddlers 2
 group.(3 groups) but another group to the twins
 she did not have direct contact with Madeleine as she was responsible for the twins’ group during that week, and she has no knowledge of the girl’s or the parents’ habits 


TODDLERS 1

Jacqueline Mary Williams -
 “Toddlers 1”. - “dinner time period” together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy,
she had various contacts with the girl Madeleine McCann, but says these were formal contacts and very brief


says that in brief moments and in a formal manner (just saying “hello” and “goodbye”) she had contact with Madeleine, explaining that she did not belong to her group, these contacts took place when the children were eating

When the parents picked up the twins at lunch time, all the children were together in the same place so they picked up Madeleine as well.
  (Mistaken as Madeleine was in another location?)


Leanne Danielle Wagstaff-
worked in the Toddlers group.
 she did not know her because she had not had direct contact with her.

she saw Madeleine’s parents once when they came to pick up the twins,
 



JUNIOR

Kirsty Louise Maryan
children between the ages of 6 and 10, known as the 'Junior' group,
she only, on one occasion, had contact with Madeleine McCann, for about 30 minutes 'who was treated as Maddie' in that she had to substitute for her colleague, who, at that time, was responsible for the group whose name is Emma, (? not Madeleine's group?) as she had to go to the Tapas to take care of the refreshments of Madeleine's group. For this, the deponent had the charge of accompanying that group towards the beach until the MiniClub where they stayed for a few minutes, and from where they left for the restaurant, mentioned above, in order to have dinner. She clarifies that when Madeleine ate her food, her parents were close and accompanied her; 

from what she saw, was a child who did stick out, precisely as she was calmer and shier that the others;
 

she did not have direct contact with the minor at issue, Madeleine McCann, and is not aware of her habits or that of her parents, 

















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RE:Did ANYONE see Madeleine during the holiday?
(Date Posted:26/09/2015 1:30 PM)



Donna  Louise Rafferty Hill  
manager of the creche staff



Lindsay Johnson 
-
 she works as supervisor of the infant educators 



Amy Tierney 
Amy, who is a coordinator of a nanny group including Cat and Emma.
head of the Baby Club and Mini Club 
“dinner time period” together with colleagues Charlotte and Jacqueline,



MINI CLUB


Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker
 
working at the Mini Club for children between 3-5 years

 


Emma Louise Wilding 
-
working at the Mini Club for children between 3-5 years


BABY CLUB

Charlotte Elizabeth Anne Pennington 
she worked with the baby group.-
“dinner time period” together with colleagues Jacqueline and Amy,
 


Lynne Rhiannon Fretter
 
she worked with the baby group.
  


Pauline Frances McCann 
works in the Baby Club 



Stacey Portz 
She works as superviso
only in the "Toddler" and "Junior/Kids" services
at the "Tapas" and "Millenium" locations.



TODDLERS 2

Shinead Maria Vine 
-
working only with the Toddler group;
Amelie & Sean


Susan Bernadette Owen 
-
 Toddlers2 (3 groups) but another group to the twins
 

Sarah Elizabeth Williamson 
- Toddlers 2
 group.(3 groups) but another group to the twins
 


TODDLERS 1

Jacqueline Mary Williams 
-
 “Toddlers 1”. 
“dinner time period” together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy,


Leanne Danielle Wagstaff
-
worked in the Toddlers group.
 


JUNIOR

Kirsty Louise Maryan
children between the ages of 6 and 10, known as the 'Junior' group,










See below for further details of witness 'sightings'

Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada

Profession: Cleaner

Saw Madeleine and family outside 5A heading for lunch at Paynes Sunday
CREDIBLE


Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo
PR Millenium  

Saw Madeleine at breakfast

Mistaken identity?
 
 


Catriona Baker - 

last saw MBM before 6 pm on 3rd May, when collected by Kate - 

Credibility?


Maria M A Jose - 

saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. - 

Mistaken Identity 
(child she refers to went to creche next to tapas, maybe Lilly?)


 Jeronimo Salcedes 
- bartender, 

saw MBM on the 3rd May near the restaurant. (note: question about this because although it appears in the 'snippets' post in the staff thread in the Files section, his actual statement saye he couldn't recall having seen them) - 

Cannot remember seeing her


Georgina Jackson - 

gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am

Non Specific.
 


Emma Wilding - 
saw Gerry book MBM in to creche on the 3rd May and also saw her in the afternoon - 

Does not know  Madeleine well
 - Mistaken 
(thought Gerry picked her up from creche- was Kate)


 Elisa Dias Romao 

saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs

Non Specific 


 Charlotte Pennington - 

told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May -

Questionable Credibity


 Other Witnesses

Bridget O'Donnell
Did not claim to see Madeleine (all pink and pretty was Sharks mini tennis)

Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins
Jeremy Wilkins (1/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, p. 494 
Jeremy Wilkins (2/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, p. 3407 
Jeremy Wilkins (3/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, CR 5 p. 25


Stephen Carpenter
Stephen Carpenter, on holiday in Praia da Luz, rogatory interview 21.04.2008, CK 3 p. 31

I**** was in the group for children between three and four years old, her crèche worker was Emma and it was only after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that I realised that she was in the same group as I****

SC: Hummm... I remember talking to Gerry, because I had to go and fetch I*** and they were playing in the small garden and he was (inaudible), I***** and I thought it was Maddie, I am not absolutely sure but, he seemed to me to be a decent type, a good father, affectionate with his children, very easy to talk to, very good with the children, with a comfortable manner even when talking to I**** about little things, completely dedicated to the children.
.
 

Mistaken











Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada

Profession: Cleaner

Saw Madeleine and family outside 5A heading for lunch at Paynes Sunday
CREDIBLE



 http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post184.html#p184
Date : 2007: 05: 08

Name: Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada

Profession: Cleaner
She had the opportunity to observe the photos of Madeleine that were being circulated everywhere and has no hesitation in confirming that she saw the child before her disappearance in the company of her siblings and mother and father, although in the latter case she only observed him from a distance.

She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (13.30) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 13.15 she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing the girl accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5 A) and walk to the stairs leading to the floor above. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same king of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands, their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs. When asked, she does not remember whether the father pulled the door closed or locked it with a key.

After she chatted to her mother about there being many children in the apartments, she had the idea that the family in 5H were friends of Madeleine’s family who were staying in 5 A.
     

Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo
PR Millenium  

Saw Madeleine at breakfast

Mistaken identity?
 
 



- saw MBM at breakfast when she worked on Tue, Wed & thurs, but does not specify exactly when seen (Note: conflicting evidence on where breakfast was taken by the family, and when)

Probably mistaken identity as McCanns did not go to breakfast during the week when she was working


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post137.html#p137
Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo

Date/Time: 2007/05/06 22H00


Occupation: Public Relations

Place of Work: Millenium restaurant, OC.

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

She says that the McCanns appeared to be a normal family and that the relation between the members of the family was very good. Madeleine appeared to be very attached to her father and was always clinging on to him. Given her public relations function she was always very nice to the guests and would get involved with the children, saying that Madeleine was very shy and did not respond to her. She says that the only contact she had with guests was at the entrance to the Millenium restaurant, she did not have a view of the tables or the Buffet area.


 

Catriona Baker - 

last saw MBM before 6 pm on 3rd May, when collected by Kate - 

Credibility?

Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker (1/2), Childcare worker, Ocean Club, p. 253  
Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker (2/2), Childcare worker, Ocean Club, CR 5 p. 3

Credibility of witness not confirmed (questionable creche records and invitation and trip to Rothley in November after which her Rogatory statement has many 'issues' imo)

 

Maria M A Jose - 

saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. - 

Mistaken Identity (child she refers to went to creche next to tapas, maybe Lilly?)

Maria M A Jose - 

Maria Manuela Antonia José, Cook, Tapas restaurant, saw Madeleine may 3rd ± 16.30 hrs., p. 261

saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. - 
Was mistaken and probably saw Lilly at the creche next to the Tapas

after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crèche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week

Another example of mistakenly thinking that one of the other tapas children was Madeleine?


 

 Jeronimo Salcedes 
- bartender, 

saw MBM on the 3rd May near the restaurant. (note: question about this because although it appears in the 'snippets' post in the staff thread in the Files section, his actual statement saye he couldn't recall having seen them) - 

Cannot remember seeing her

Jeronimo Salcedes 

- bartender, saw MBM on the 3rd May near the restaurant. (note: question about this because although it appears in the 'snippets' post in the staff thread in the Files section, his actual statement saye he couldn't recall having seen them) - 

Cannot remember seeing her

Jeronimo T. R. Salcedas (1/3) (snippet), Barman, Tapas bar, Ocean Club, saw Maddie may 3rd. 16.45 hrs., page 125
Jeronimo T. R. Salcedas (2/3), Barman, Tapas bar, Ocean Club, page 233
Jeronimo T. R. Salcedas (3/3), Barman, Tapas bar, Ocean Club, CR 5 p. 22
- He saw the missing Madelaine, for the last time, yesterday at 16.45h next to the restaurant; ?

In spite of having already observed many photos of Madeleine he claims that he could not state with any certainty that he had seen her at any moment, the same goes for whom he now knows to be her twin siblings. The specifics of his work do not leave him with much time to focus his attention on the children that were around, although as he has stated previously he worked with children of Madeleine’s approximate age for almost four years.

Since Madeleine’s disappearance, I have seen her picture many times in the media, but I cannot honestly affirm that I remember seeing her in person before the disappearance from the Ocean Club. There were many children and I never paid much attention to any of them.
 


 

Georgina Jackson - 

gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am

Non Specific.
 

Georgina Jackson - gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am. - After being shown the younger picture, can it be taken for granted that she would remember Madeleine actually being in the group or did she 'presume'?

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1779.html#p1779
She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent.


 

Emma Wilding - 
saw Gerry book MBM in to creche on the 3rd May and also saw her in the afternoon - 

Does not know  Madeleine well
 -Mistaken (thought Gerry picked her up from creche- was Kate)

Emma Wilding - saw Gerry book MBM in to creche on the 3rd May and also saw her in the afternoon - 

Does not know  Madeleine well 
When questioned she states that on 
May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much.

She only noticed Madeleine and not her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual?

She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine’s group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; 
she does remember that around 1230 Madelew’s (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch. (Kate picked up Madeleine)

When questioned, she states that on 
Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group
 or not, and does not remember having seen anybody specifically taking direct and close-up photographs of the children.  

She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.

She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.


 

 Elisa Dias Romao 

saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs

Non Specific 

Elisa Dias Romao 

saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs - 

Confusing statement but claims this

-On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS.



http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post11634.html#p11634
Regarding the group linked to the couple and the missing child and her two siblings, she only became aware afterwards that Madeleine’s siblings were twins. The witness remembers seeing them in the Garden Club, near the pool and the Tapas restaurant. 

They appeared a normal family, as did the entire group. She did not notice any strange or suspicious details. 

When questioned, the witness clarifies that she worked at the Garden Club reception on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, at a time covering the lunch hour. She remembers seeing the couple with their children as they had to pass the reception to leave the area. She next saw them head in the direction of the apartment where the witness believes they had lunch. 

She believes that they left always between 12H30 and 13H00.

Around 14H00 the couple would return around 14H00, in fact, most of the couples would return their children to the crèche around this time. She does not know if the three McCann children were together given their different ages.

When questioned, the witness states that the parents would spend the majority of the time inside the Garden Club, in activities such as playing tennis, as they were a group of four couples (the reservation was always made for 9 adults). They would only all meet together for dinner. 

The couple would only leave the Garden Club after the children’s tea, which was served by the nannies in that area around 17H00/18H00. 

It was only after this period that they would leave with the children in the direction of their respective apartments. 

Questioned, states that she was left with the notion that the four couples always took their children when they went out or that they (the children) never left the area without their parents.

Her normal working day was from 09.00 – 17.00 and therefore she was never present when the group was dining.

Her working day was normal that day and she did not see anything of interest to the investigation.

On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS.

 

 Charlotte Pennington - 

told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May -

Questionable Credibity

Charlotte Pennington - 

told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May -  

Credibility of witness not confirmed (Claims to have seen the twins in their cot and yet early statement says she did not enter 
apartment.)

Charlotte Elizabeth Anne Pennington, Childcare worker, Ocean Club, p. 378

 

 Other Witnesses

Bridget O'Donnell
Did not claim to see Madeleine (all pink and pretty was Sharks mini tennis)

Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins
Jeremy Wilkins (1/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, p. 494 
Jeremy Wilkins (2/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, p. 3407 
Jeremy Wilkins (3/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, CR 5 p. 25


Stephen Carpenter
Stephen Carpenter, on holiday in Praia da Luz, rogatory interview 21.04.2008, CK 3 p. 31

I**** was in the group for children between three and four years old, her crèche worker was Emma and it was only after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that I realised that she was in the same group as I****

SC: Hummm... I remember talking to Gerry, because I had to go and fetch I*** and they were playing in the small garden and he was (inaudible), I***** and I thought it was Maddie, I am not absolutely sure but, he seemed to me to be a decent type, a good father, affectionate with his children, very easy to talk to, very good with the children, with a comfortable manner even when talking to I**** about little things, completely dedicated to the children.
.
 

Mistaken

 

Not in Files

Miguel Matias


manager of the beach-side Paraíso restaurant -Mistaken



Alice & ?
 - Took children sailing May 3rd
 

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RE:Did ANYONE see Madeleine during the holiday?
(Date Posted:26/09/2015 1:32 PM)

I compiled these images to show how the perception of employees regarding Madeleine's personality is very different to what we have heard was reality.

Also, how similar she was in appearance to the other tapas children.

We KNOW she was mistaken by Miguel Mattias at the Paraiso as he was convinced it was Madeleine dancing with her father and we know that Madeleine was not there as per the CCTV pics so he saw one of the OTHER tapas children.

One of the cooks claimed to have seen Madeleine every day at the creche next to the tapas but that was for the younger children...Madeleine went to the other creche near reception.

I cannot find ONE credible witness statement that proves Madeleine was alive after Sunday.

http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Who-Saw-Madeleine-Credibility-Statement-Highlights-1-780252.html

Maybe these images etc show how easy it was for the witnesses to be mistaken

Jane Tanner referred to Ella as shy.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic41.html
00.45 4078 “Madeleine, how much of Madeleine did you see?”
Reply “Not that much really because only really because she didn’t come to breakfast, so
we saw the other children at breakfast and their lunch, but because they tended to
have breakfast and lunch separately, the only time I really saw her was at, erm, after
high tea when we were playing in the play area, was the main times that I probably
saw her during the week”.
4078 “And how would you describe Madeleine?”
Reply “Very, she was very lively, a very lively, happy, a happy little girl really. Because,
probably a bit [color=red]of, we were almost a bit worried how Exxxx and Madeleine would get
on, because Exxxx’s quite shy and and sensitive and Madeleine’s very, erm, I don’t know
whether you can call a child vivacious, but, you know, sort of very, erm, outgoing
and. But, I mean, they did, they got on and they had a whale of a time.







Tapas Children Comparison








I added sunglasses for comparison 













Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada

Profession: Cleaner

Saw Madeleine and family outside 5A heading for lunch at Paynes Sunday
CREDIBLE



http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post184.html#p184
Date : 2007: 05: 08

Name: Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada

Profession: Cleaner
She had the opportunity to observe the photos of Madeleine that were being circulated everywhere and has no hesitation in confirming that she saw the child before her disappearance in the company of her siblings and mother and father, although in the latter case she only observed him from a distance.

She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (13.30) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 13.15 she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing the girl accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5 A) and walk to the stairs leading to the floor above. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same king of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands, their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs. When asked, she does not remember whether the father pulled the door closed or locked it with a key.

After she chatted to her mother about there being many children in the apartments, she had the idea that the family in 5H were friends of Madeleine’s family who were staying in 5 A.

http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Summary-of-Witnesses-that-saw-Madeleine-1-837083.html







Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo
PR Millenium 

Saw Madeleine at breakfast

Mistaken identity?
 



- saw MBM at breakfast when she worked on Tue, Wed & thurs, but does not specify exactly when seen (Note: conflicting evidence on where breakfast was taken by the family, and when)

Probably mistaken identity as McCanns did not go to breakfast during the week when she was working


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post137.html#p137

Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo

Date/Time: 2007/05/06 22H00


Occupation: Public Relations

Place of Work: Millenium restaurant, OC.

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

She says that the McCanns appeared to be a normal family and that the relation between the members of the family was very good. Madeleine appeared to be very attached to her father and was always clinging on to him. Given her public relations function she was always very nice to the guests and would get involved with the children, saying that Madeleine was very shy and did not respond to her. She says that the only contact she had with guests was at the entrance to the Millenium restaurant, she did not have a view of the tables or the Buffet area.









Catriona Baker - 

last saw MBM before 6 pm on 3rd May, when collected by Kate - 

Credibility?

Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker (1/2), Childcare worker, Ocean Club, p. 253 
Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker (2/2), Childcare worker, Ocean Club, CR 5 p. 3

Credibility of witness not confirmed (questionable creche records and invitation and trip to Rothley in November after which her Rogatory statement has many 'issues' imo)







Maria M A Jose - 

saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. - 

Mistaken Identity (child she refers to went to creche next to tapas, maybe Lilly?)

Maria M A Jose - 

Maria Manuela Antonia José, Cook, Tapas restaurant, saw Madeleine may 3rd ± 16.30 hrs., p. 261

saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. - 
Was mistaken and probably saw Lilly at the creche next to the Tapas

[size=7]after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crèche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week

Another example of mistakenly thinking that one of the other tapas children was Madeleine?

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Jeronimo Salcedes 
- bartender, 

saw MBM on the 3rd May near the restaurant. (note: question about this because although it appears in the 'snippets' post in the staff thread in the Files section, his actual statement saye he couldn't recall having seen them) - 

Cannot remember seeing her


Jeronimo Salcedes 

- bartender, saw MBM on the 3rd May near the restaurant. (note: question about this because although it appears in the 'snippets' post in the staff thread in the Files section, his actual statement saye he couldn't recall having seen them) - 

Cannot remember seeing her

Jeronimo T. R. Salcedas (1/3) (snippet), Barman, Tapas bar, Ocean Club, saw Maddie may 3rd. 16.45 hrs., page 125
Jeronimo T. R. Salcedas (2/3), Barman, Tapas bar, Ocean Club, page 233
Jeronimo T. R. Salcedas (3/3), Barman, Tapas bar, Ocean Club, CR 5 p. 22
- He saw the missing Madelaine, for the last time, yesterday at 16.45h next to the restaurant; ?

In spite of having already observed many photos of Madeleine he claims that he could not state with any certainty that he had seen her at any moment, the same goes for whom he now knows to be her twin siblings. The specifics of his work do not leave him with much time to focus his attention on the children that were around, although as he has stated previously he worked with children of Madeleine’s approximate age for almost four years.

Since Madeleine’s disappearance, I have seen her picture many times in the media, but I cannot honestly affirm that I remember seeing her in person before the disappearance from the Ocean Club. There were many children and I never paid much attention to any of them.
 








Georgina Jackson - 

gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am

Non Specific.

Georgina Jackson - gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am. - After being shown the younger picture, can it be taken for granted that she would remember Madeleine actually being in the group or did she 'presume'?

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post1779.html#p1779

She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent.








Emma Wilding - 
saw Gerry book MBM in to creche on the 3rd May and also saw her in the afternoon - 

Does not know Madeleine well
 -Mistaken (thought Gerry picked her up from creche- was Kate)

Emma Wilding - saw Gerry book MBM in to creche on the 3rd May and also saw her in the afternoon - 

Does not know Madeleine well 
When questioned she states that on 
May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much.

She only noticed Madeleine and not her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual?

She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine’s group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; 
she does remember that around 1230 Madelew’s (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch. (Kate picked up Madeleine)

When questioned, she states that on 
Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group
 or not, and does not remember having seen anybody specifically taking direct and close-up photographs of the children. 

She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.

She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.








Elisa Dias Romao 

saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs

Non Specific

Elisa Dias Romao 

saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs - 

Confusing statement but claims this

-On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS.



http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post11634.html#p11634
Regarding the group linked to the couple and the missing child and her two siblings, she only became aware afterwards that Madeleine’s siblings were twins. The witness remembers seeing them in the Garden Club, near the pool and the Tapas restaurant. 

They appeared a normal family, as did the entire group. She did not notice any strange or suspicious details. 

When questioned, the witness clarifies that she worked at the Garden Club reception on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, at a time covering the lunch hour. She remembers seeing the couple with their children as they had to pass the reception to leave the area. She next saw them head in the direction of the apartment where the witness believes they had lunch. 

She believes that they left always between 12H30 and 13H00.

Around 14H00 the couple would return around 14H00, in fact, most of the couples would return their children to the crèche around this time. She does not know if the three McCann children were together given their different ages.

When questioned, the witness states that the parents would spend the majority of the time inside the Garden Club, in activities such as playing tennis, as they were a group of four couples (the reservation was always made for 9 adults). They would only all meet together for dinner. 

The couple would only leave the Garden Club after the children’s tea, which was served by the nannies in that area around 17H00/18H00. 

It was only after this period that they would leave with the children in the direction of their respective apartments. 

Questioned, states that she was left with the notion that the four couples always took their children when they went out or that they (the children) never left the area without their parents.

Her normal working day was from 09.00 – 17.00 and therefore she was never present when the group was dining.

Her working day was normal that day and she did not see anything of interest to the investigation.

On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS.







Charlotte Pennington - 

told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May -

Questionable Credibity

Charlotte Pennington - 

told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May - 

Credibility of witness not confirmed (Claims to have seen the twins in their cot and yet early statement says she did not enter 
apartment.)

Charlotte Elizabeth Anne Pennington, Childcare worker, Ocean Club, p. 378







Other Witnesses

Bridget O'Donnell
Did not claim to see Madeleine (all pink and pretty was Sharks mini tennis)

Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins
Jeremy Wilkins (1/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, p. 494 
Jeremy Wilkins (2/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, p. 3407 
Jeremy Wilkins (3/3), On holiday in Praia da Luz, had conversation with G. McCann at ± 9.10 hrs., didn't see J. Tanner, CR 5 p. 25


Stephen Carpenter
Stephen Carpenter, on holiday in Praia da Luz, rogatory interview 21.04.2008, CK 3 p. 31

I**** was in the group for children between three and four years old, her crèche worker was Emma and it was only after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that I realised that she was in the same group as I****

SC: Hummm... I remember talking to Gerry, because I had to go and fetch I*** and they were playing in the small garden and he was (inaudible), I***** and I thought it was Maddie, I am not absolutely sure but, he seemed to me to be a decent type, a good father, affectionate with his children, very easy to talk to, very good with the children, with a comfortable manner even when talking to I**** about little things, completely dedicated to the children.
.
 

Mistaken


Not in Files

Miguel Matias


manager of the beach-side Paraíso restaurant -Mistaken



Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth
 - Took children sailing May 3rd but were only interviewed unnoficially.




No 'credible' sightings of Madeleine does not prove she wasn't there but they do not prove she WAS

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