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Title: Feeling Lost Spiritually, Chronic Illness, and a few questions
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(Date Posted:08-21-2011 2:46 PM)
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It's been a while since I've truly visited here. I've missed you all. It's been a busy, exhausting spring/summer.

I have a wide range of things to write about, but not in any particular order of importance.

1. Spiritually, I've been feeling Like a Ship Without an Anchor - you can read my blog post I linked to if you want to, but basically, I don't feel like I fit in with either Christianity or Paganism.  From the things I've looked into in the different pagan belief systems -  for all that they say they are different - they seem to be almost all the same, but with slightly different focuses.  People say witchcraft isn't a religion, but it's hard to find information about it with Wicca or other pagan beliefs being mixed in with it.  I need some encouragement to keep going, because right now I just feel like giving up altogether.  I've considered forming my own belief system, drawing heavily from Christianity and favorite pieces of literature - such as the Lord of the Rings. It's very overwhelming, which could sort of be considered good because if it's to be of any value I don't imagine it would be easy, but I have no idea where to start!

2. Do you know of any good blogs, message boards, websites for dealing with Chronic Illnesses, from a witchy-perspective? I've been wondering if such a thing was out there - it would be nice to have the support and perspective of the magical community mixed in with it.  I myself have Fibromyalgia amongst other things. I've tried to cope with them in various ways, but sometimes it is so easy to feel defeated by it. It's hard to go about life, let alone learn about and practice witchcraft when you're exhausted and in pain all the time.  

3. From a Christian perspective, what are your thoughts on Shamanism, Spirit Guides, and other similar topics? I've been reading a little bit about them, but haven't had a lot of time to do so, and am having a hard time trying to figure out how to approach them as a Christian, and want to know what other Christian Witches think about them.

I'll try to check in a little more often. :)
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RE:Feeling Lost Spiritually, Chronic Illness, and a few questions
(Date Posted:08-28-2011 8:35 AM)

Hi!
I am sorry it has taken us so long to reply.  Let me try to help how I can
 You mentioned that you were considering "forming my own belief system", dear friend it is what we are doing everyday. Yes being a Christian Witch is difficult it is slowly walking the road less traveled. There are not many books and resources because it is not the main stream. I love Jesus with all of may heart and soul, if you read my bio it may give you more insight. I also strongly believe in and have expierienced magis. As a young child I knew that Jesus, Mary, and magic were all very real and that I could call on both Jesus and Mary in my time of need. I was raised Catholic so loving the mother was an accepted part of my life. What was not accepted was magic. I was so confused. I knew there was life after death, I had seen spirits and I was a child , not evil, not sinful. I was very innocent and the idea of being a witch was very scary.
As I got older I became a "Holiday" catholic and only went to church as needed. The hipocrasy that I found there seemed in direct contradiction to what Jesus taught. The congregation was cold and impersonal. I watched as they went to church and left as soon as the priest said "Go in Peace" a large percentage did not even wait for the Priest to finish his sentence. This was not faith and I am not even sure that it could be defined as religion for those hurrying out. On the other side the wiccans I met were quick to persecute my Jesus if I even mentioned his name. It seemed as much as anyone spoke of love and acceptance both religion were set on being separate and in opposition.

I did what many others have done and simply stopped going to church, I had my tarot but I was solitary and used the cards for comfort only. I prayed to Jesus but still spoke to the spirits of my ansestors and I spoke to Jesus as a friend. I carried on this way for years. I eventually started practicing magic again without faith. When The cock crowed, I denied him. When I did so my heart broke. I had another crisis of faith. I threw away all the magical tools and avoided the pagan circles. I made my amends with Jesus yet felt empty. I was not listening to what Jesus was teaching me. I was not walking a path, I was paralyzed in fear. I was afraid to be in the magic community and love Jesus, and there was no room in the Christian community for magic.
I started googling everything and studying and my journey began in earnest. The found a yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thechristianwitch/   and joined. I also started reading my Bible through my own eyes. I was not attending church but listening with my heart. Man wrote the book. There are many many parts that are true and inspired by God, these parts "ring true" when I read. There are other parts that are very simply written by "Law" and "Man" I ignore them, they do not ring true and contradict God's golden rule. God is a perfect omnipresent being and it doesn't make sense that a perfect being is in the Habit of contradicting Him/Her/ It self!

I met my husband to be. He is a gnostic and he has helped me in so many ways. He also practices and lives magic. He accepted me as I am. Our beliefs are not exactly the same but the are very similar. The CW group from yahoo is still a part of my life. I also kept seeking. Jesus told us "Seek and you shall find". My spirit guide found me and I realized she/he never left. What is a guardian angel? When I was in grade school there was a dog that walked to school with me everyday. I  later mentioned the dog to my family and neighbors, they told me there was never a dog. In my dreams the animal kingdom has played a large role as well. I adore animals so it makes perfect sense that a guardian would choose a form I could love and trust. In time I was led back to Tarot. Dreams returned and magic began anew in my life. I attended rennisance fairs and other places where I new the magic community was. I did not go around waving a Christian with flag, but I was comfortable with myself and what others viewed as my "contradictions" .

I recently moved to a new state and took another step. I have joined a group of women in searching for the Goddess. I do this with eyes wide open. They understand from the Beginning Jesus is my lord. And God is simply God to me, both man, woman and neither.
I pray I will find that the "Gentle Woman" will also be with me on my path.

One thing I have done in each new adventure is pray. I ask for God's hand and grace upon my family, myself and my path. I look for God's affirmation in what I am doing. If God tells me no, then I do not proceed. If I have guilt, I reevaluate perhaps God is trying to tell me something. Walking this path requires that you see and hear what God is saying. It is difficult but what else should we expect. Jesus himself told us that to be a Christian was to risk persecution.

I found a book on Amazon while searching for random anything ..  I started reading it and I admit I cried. Perhaps it may help you as well. What ever you do keep searching for the truth and the truth will find you. Do not let yourself get hung up on lables and terminology, this is need for a lable is something society has ingrained in you and frankly it is not true at all. You do not have to declare yourself. religion is a man made entity with rules and politics, faith however is a journey with God. I hope I see you again on my path.

Blessed Be-
Angel

 The Path of a Christian Witch
by Adelina St. Clair


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Re:Feeling Lost Spiritually, Chronic Illness, and a few questions
(Date Posted:09-01-2011 12:13 PM)

In catching up finally here:

All be its I probably wouldn't quite know which direction to go with an answer on this one and only because each situation is different with each different person- I will say this much- I think we all have a tendency to see a need to include a bit of witchy pattern with healing- faith and other potential matters. I've been down that road myself and even though I live with only just a few small nusciences at times- every now and then I tend to wonder if there is a little bit more magical of way of dealing with them.

As for feeling like a ship with out an anchor and feeling as though you would rather form your own system of belief and path following with the inclusion of christian overtones- I would say why not? Fits fairly close to being something of an eclectic and from my point of view- eclecticism tends to think outside the box! Nothing better than forming your own personal and well rounded relationship with the Host of Heaven and the benefits that one reaps from that relationship and the direction in which God leads when they do- are those of better understandings- a lot more knowledge than one has been able to find with standard pathism as I like to call it at times- plus being able to see real truths as well as be coherent in a whole new light.

I don't follow common spiritual paths and I do what I can to not engage in the more human aspect of spiritual idealism either. I more or less go the direction in which God leads and I try to listen as much as I can to what he says regarding various issues and ideals through out life and even though I may not like a few comments he makes or suggestions he lays down on the table sometimes- at least I am given an opportunity to evaluate a few of them- form an opinion or two and then more often than not- take it with a grain of salt and just live with it- or find the promising pro's behind at least one or two things then roll with it and make it my own.

Human determination at its best is sketchy- but what ever it is we decided to do with both our lives and our spiritual identities can very easily be determined by listening to both God and our hearts that hold dear the Heavenly Spirit and with those both on our side- we have a means of finding the directions in which we are meant to go through the lead of Both God's and Heaven's Grace.

This is just my view on it based on the senses I recieve and the feelings that stir with in.

Missy.


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Re:Feeling Lost Spiritually, Chronic Illness, and a few questions
(Date Posted:11-07-2011 10:36 PM)

 Angel, you words are a comfort, and very soothing.  Thank you for your response, and I'm so sorry to take so long to reply.  Your path-story, sounds like it has been difficult, but beautiful as well.

In October I read a book on The Morrigan, and while I can't pinpoint when it happened, but at some point during reading the book, I grew to feel that I finally have an understanding and connection with the feminine aspect of divinity, which has helped me feel a little less anchor-less.

Missy, thank you! :) Ever since I started looking into alternatives to traditional Christianity, I've felt very strongly that I am supposed to work with characters from books - the Lord of the Rings in particular, but some others as well - but I'm having a hard time getting my mind (but it's from fiction!) and Spirit (what I sense to be true in my heart) to come to terms with each other - more mind than spirit, as is usually the case. Also having a problem with my pathwork feeling like it's all "in my head" - lots of thinking on things, but not a whole lot of activity (rituals, circle casting, etc.) ringing true for me... and I don't know... I just haven't found a way to bring what's in my head into expression in my life.

I think for some people the structure of a single path might be good - but I think it would make me feel too constrained, so I think I tend to agree with you about eclecticism. :D And I love being able to explore,  and find similarities, and finding God(dess) in unexpected places.
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Re:Feeling Lost Spiritually, Chronic Illness, and a few questions
(Date Posted:11-17-2011 6:30 PM)

Bless your heart Kindle.

From my point of view and for the longest of time now- I've never really seen just "One Right" or "Soul Direction" as the only means of spiritual path following. With everything that I had observed over time and the conlusions I've drawn- I've seen such as more of a Human Agenda than it would be a spiritual one and I've probably mentioned that very thought on a slightly repeated scale- but either way- it's better to have a close and personal connection with the Deities of Heaven than it would to be seeing one's self being run through "3 Way" intervention.

With being an Eclectic- as people love to lable so to speak- a person has an unlimited source of opportunities to experiment with a number of different options and they can explore just about any different spiritual avenue they choose as well. It's like having infinite freedom with out human boundaries holding you back. To be honest- I really dislike human boundaries centered around spiritual regard. Waaaaaaay too limiting and extremely exhausting to have to keep up with. Theology- doctrines- denominations- seminary- what the gaboodles ya know? And to boot- what does it really wind down to in the long run?

Not much from my understanding- the basic conclusion would be that of "Humanity rules over the throne of Heaven- therefor Humanity has the over all say." I've heard that very conclusion in so many underlying round-about ways by the time sermons were so much as half through at various churches. What great a sin it is to attempt to Usurp the throne of God and for reasoning that no Human being much less an angel- has ever been successful at actually accomplishing such. Not to my knowledge nor the scriptures I've read- has such ever been stated as true.

When one has managed to break away from various systems- set ups- groups- organizations and more- one finds a new means of coming back to both life and light. The truth and real path reveals themselves and then they make it a point to lead in both a righteous and honest direction. The connection with the Host of Heaven was meant to be personal- one on one- mano' e' mano'- initmate even. Each person is different- an individual and each direction is different for each individual- no two directions are ever the same and no two directions will ever be the same.

Our paths- our tasks and more are handed down to us by the hand of Heaven and we are meant to follow who-ever or what ever resident thereof for reasoning known only to God. With out looking to sound awful here- I like my Independent stature. I have learned a great many different things and there have been times when life hasn't thrown me a curve ball every now and then- that I have enjoyed peace- quiet- tranquility- doing spells- rituals and other things with out being disturbed by would be impositional forces all be its when ever I've been rudely confronted with my spiritual preferences at times- I've been known to stand my grounds with a bit of a vigilant spirit hehehehe.

A few folks I know tend to dislike that a bit- but- whether they like it or not- when I make my points- I also make it known that this is who I am- such is where I'm going and that there is no way on this green and blue planet that I am going to defy the direction in which my Lord and Creator has assigned me to follow. In narrowing it down a bit- I blatently disobey humanity's would be false rule over spiritual path following and how it is they deem such as needing gone about. With that- such an ideal tends to lean towards following one of the more common- yet slightly over-looked scripture of: " Be Thee in the world- but also be Thee not of it. "

Such entails spiritual issues and regards as well and in some ways it can be incorporated into one's reasoning for following the path and direction in which God leads a person on a one on one scale. More often than not- I like to think that said scripture also kind of inspired my own personal creed: " Live and let Live- Love and Let Love- Learn and let Grow." It's truly amazing what wonders lay ahead on an Independent Spiritual path and in saying this from both heart and spirit- even greater wonders come through works and practices as well.

These are just my views- but I hold hopes and faith also that all will come to know their true directions and what their relationship with Heaven truly means and for reasoning that both are blessings in an extremely rare form.

Missy.



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