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(Date Posted:25/09/2011 11:43 AM)
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As some of you will know, this theory faces opposition.


We must all pull together to save the smiley - er, bit of science that we all hold dear to ourselves. Much depends on it.

For me, hearing this terrible news was as bad as hearing that Bob Beamon's world record for the long jump had been broken after hundreds of years.



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(Date Posted:25/09/2011 1:12 PM)

This is the news story which you refer to, I presume:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15034414

(Message edited by KizzyKazaer On 25/09/2011 1:13 PM)
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Re:smiley5
(Date Posted:26/09/2011 4:27 AM)

You are right be need to save Einstein, after all it is all relative. if enough people believe then it has to be correct?

Does anyone know more about the theory that in the very act of experimenting scientists can influence the behaviour of matter? I am kind of woolly headed over what the theory stated and come to think of it maybe I say it on a tv show called The Fringe. That was when I was still watching the Fringe before it got so overly complicated that I felt like I needed to be paid to watch it.


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RE:smiley5
(Date Posted:26/09/2011 6:51 AM)

"Does anyone know more about the theory that in the very act of experimenting scientists can influence the behaviour of matter?"

I think you are referring to quantum effects which I believe Einstein dismissed. However there does seem to be strong evidence for them. Apparently a particle can be in two places at once and may exhibit both particle and wave like behaviour but measuring the effects causes it to exhibit as one or the other. They can also be 'entangled' which means affecting one affects the other instantaneous regardless of distance apart. I'm not sure how they get to be entangled or how they come to be far apart. At which point I get lost.

The experiment reported, if confirmed, would undermine fundamental science thinking for the last century or so. Whilst nobody has observed faster than light speed, until perhaps now, I have always wondered how one can be sure such a limit exists. Einstein theory postulates this but how can it be proved. Like most proofs they are very difficult as it only requires one violation to disprove it.

Please note the above is a very superficial and somewhat ignorant interpretation of the theories. For those of you looking for brain fade and total confusion just enter words or phrases like, Einstein, Light speed, quantum theory, into you favourite search engine. See you when the Universe ends! By the way the answer is 42. smiley9

 

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(Date Posted:26/09/2011 3:56 PM)

Please note the above is a very superficial and somewhat ignorant interpretation of the theories. For those of you looking for brain fade and total confusion just enter words or phrases like, Einstein, Light speed, quantum theory, into you favourite search engine. See you when the Universe ends! By the way the answer is 42. smiley9

...and don't forget Schrödinger's Cat smiley19

I don't think it will ever be as happy as this smily one though, as either it's:

a) dead due to poisoning triggered by the random decay of the radioactive particle with which it's been trapped in a box ...or
b) it's just trapped in a box!smiley30

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RE:smiley5
(Date Posted:27/09/2011 3:41 AM)

Or,

if a smiley67 is alone in a forest, does his f**t still make a sound

or,

why don't Kangaroos f**t?

Ah, the mystery of it all
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(Date Posted:27/09/2011 3:50 AM)

"The scientists are right to be extremely cautious about interpreting these findings," said Jim Al-Khalili, a physicist from the University of Surrey, who suggested that a simple error in the measurement is probably the source of all the fuss.

But he has gone further.

"So let me put my money where my mouth is: if the Cern experiment proves to be correct and neutrinos have broken the speed of light, I will eat my boxer shorts on live TV."

Can we watch.  smiley51

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RE:smiley5
(Date Posted:27/09/2011 8:38 AM)

Noisyworld, is the cat's dilemma due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?smiley97

I certainly don't know if I am coming or going.

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RE:smiley5
(Date Posted:27/09/2011 10:26 AM)

I once put 'string theory' into a search engine 

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RE:smiley5
(Date Posted:27/09/2011 1:41 PM)



I think if my nephew's son, who is 2, punches me, that I do not or barely notice it, but if my nephew, who is 38 and built like a brick shiphouse, punches me that I do feel it.



I think that is  smiley5explained.



Correct me if I am wrong.



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RE:smiley5
(Date Posted:27/09/2011 2:54 PM)

oldtone, that's the one, you cannot measure the speed or position of a sub-atomic or quantum particle without affecting the other. That is what the Schrödinger's Cat thought-experiment was imagined to prove.

Once again I'm with suessad- I'd pay to watch that too smiley109 smiley110
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